tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9992958.post1431926978098659213..comments2023-06-26T04:45:32.896-04:00Comments on Fish Monkey's Writing Stuff: FFB: Fashion and Class and CopyrightFish Monkeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15513113946225645783noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9992958.post-31670402950432815092011-07-17T22:14:16.784-04:002011-07-17T22:14:16.784-04:00Apologies to Franca (http://www.oranges-and-apples...Apologies to Franca (http://www.oranges-and-apples.com/): your comment landed in my mailbox but not on Blogger comments. So I'm posting it here from email:<br /><br />"Very interesting the link you make to class! I completely agree with you, if this is interpreted broadly and things like quilted bags become out of bounds to low/middle level designers, that would be extremely worrying indeed. I can see it from the other side of the small designer having their design nicked, but as you say, the costs of actually suing someone are prohibitively high."Fish Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513113946225645783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9992958.post-25841414438005632562011-07-14T09:07:12.200-04:002011-07-14T09:07:12.200-04:00Terri, Poet -- good points. However, as IP legisla...Terri, Poet -- good points. However, as IP legislation in other areas showed, such laws really do tend to benefit larger corporations only, since they have the resources to take violators to court. Etsy designer? Maybe not so much. So an aspiring designer with not a lot of capital still won't be able to take a large corporation to court since legal fees etc might be significant enough to sink it -- just like with copyright violation in arts, we see that it is Disney who relentlessly pursues the violators, while regular writers post pleas on their blogs to please not steal their work (I do talk more about that in the post linked in the beginning.)<br /><br />Another point is that for Etsy craftspeople/up-and-comers stealing is not the biggest issue. Just like for writers, obscurity is.<br /><br />Maria -- use of art without permission is already within current IP laws. We don't need another piece of legislation, we already have it -- the issue there is enforcement, which once again comes down to who has money/time for courts.Fish Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513113946225645783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9992958.post-31997248492239303082011-07-14T08:43:20.003-04:002011-07-14T08:43:20.003-04:00great points in the last two paragraphs.
Poet al...great points in the last two paragraphs. <br /><br />Poet also makes a good point about how some brands have taken independant designers' designs and copied them. I've seen this multiple times with the UK store New Look taking original art of the internet and printing on their tshirts without permission or compensation to the artist.<br /><br />In response to Terri's point, I'd say that if I were that 'top designer' I'd invite the Etsy crafter to come and work with me in collaberation which avoids copying/copywrite issues.Eve Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11909519196412784331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9992958.post-31186320142247660092011-07-14T05:03:33.030-04:002011-07-14T05:03:33.030-04:00I don't think there's any way to keep peop...I don't think there's any way to keep people from making and buying knockoffs of the big brands, but I do think that a legislation against copying fashion designs could help small independent designers - there've been quite a few scandals that involved fast fashion folks stealing their designs that were relatively affordable in the first place, then mass-producing them and selling them even cheaper... that is seriously not okay either. And it's also a class issue right there: Knockoffs may not harm the big, unaffordable brands, but they might prove a serious problem for an aspiring middle-class designer who doesn't have big capital to build on, but a lot to lose.poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00187001501919334157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9992958.post-62765266855182487442011-07-14T01:57:49.384-04:002011-07-14T01:57:49.384-04:00Is it possible that this copying might also work i...Is it possible that this copying might also work in reverse. Let's say some Etsy crafts-person comes up with a great idea worthy of influencing a top designer. Wouldn't the copyright have value as intellectual property then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com